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Gathering the people involved till now in this #fediMarket question to create some impulse and general discussion about this topic.
This is not a proposal but some thoughts and unfinished considerations, looking for some input or to become at least some output itself.

As @thomas pointed out there is #flohmarkt, as it looks like coded by @grindhold@23.social .

It has apparently the goal to be all the contrary to a centralized system but aims to be more like a local give away, sales and advertisement platform. Actualy it's not an auction like platform, witch is quite an interesting take. Still looking thru the ccc-Media video presentation trying to get a grip on it. As of now I didn't get the local restriction. Not sure if the restriction is mend to be by IP of the users, the IP of the platform of users or just some kind of instance restriction.

The #GNUtaler discussion in this topic points to the general issue not only about payment but also about the system of trust that can be or could be implemented.
It is and was quite interesting to see how the #ebay concept didn't catch up in Latin America because there was way to much fraud and the only thing that could catch up was some kind of sales platform like #mercadolibre that actually turned out to become some kind of national advertisement platform for professional sellers.

What did tho work in an astonishing way, and let's please leave aside for a moment some issues bitcoin does involve, is the concept #localbitcoins came up with, actually as well as the famous #Silkroad example. Sites that managed to create some kind of trustless exchange. The particularity of localbitcoins tho was that they invented a reference system where people actually even meet each other and backed up their existence by some how proving each others identity. Ultimately the reference and reputation system of localbitcoins, reputation out of completed transactions and comments about them, as well as in person verification, created a functional working environment, something that till today is looking for a match out there.

All these a real critical issues. And perhaps not only for trade but to a certain extent for our #socialWeb, our #fediVerse itself. On one hand we have commercial transactions that can involve fraud and on the other personal information that also can be exposed to fraud and worth. In our decentralized setup this is even somehow more complicated as fraudsters can restart at any given moment from anywhere else, while at the same time reputation on mid and long term should and can matter.
So, what we do have is on one hand the "real me" function implemented for example by mastodon, and on the other we do have the signing capabilities of blockchains themselves. In particular of #electrum wallets, a decentralized wallet system that was created and is implemented not only by bitcoin but a lot more blockchains that want to show off with a real simple decentralized #FOSS wallet system.
To get this straight, this is not about any coin or acquisition of any coin at all, but the simple technical availability of installing a simple long standing proven decentralized FOSS software that has the capability to sign or prove the correctness of any kind of text string. Nobody needs to have a single cent of a coin, or connect to anywhere, to create a wallet and with it a wallet address that than can sign a text. In other words, any wallet address is an ID that can't be impersonated without the respective password.
So, it doesn't matter where for example the ID "bc1qp8xla8me0ykkh5wzrvkjgtdnuma0galep9cedu" as a profile name shows up, or which profile claims to represent the ID "bc1qp8xla8me0ykkh5wzrvkjgtdnuma0galep9cedu", unless it is able to show off with a text, for example:
"I do have access to the signing keys for this ID" signed correctly with that wallet address, that profile could be considered an impostor.

To create show cases for this idea, for this concept, there is on one hand the friendica fediVerse site:
inversion.tupambae.com/
The profile "blockchain" for example uses the just mentioned specific ID:
inversion.tupambae.com/profile…
as some kind of "none human readable address".

Than there is the site:
1dhfsbbdpv4wshuyc6197nymcfeqqk…
The subdomain name itself is a first generation bitcoin address that has been used on the web and even if the capital letter detail is not in use, references are found for example by google.
That site hosts a project profile that again uses a bitcoin #SEGWIT address as an ID:
1dhfsbbdpv4wshuyc6197nymcfeqqk…
Actually the bc1 segwit system is not case senitive, in other words no capital letters in those ID's.
That profile itself is a reference to a mastodon profile that uses it to claim it's "real me" identity as "btc SEGWIT verified":
mastodon.uy/@tierranietos

Again there is not only no need for to involve bitcoins or cents of bitcoins (satoshis) in this. Even bitcoin itself doesn't have to be used, as there are lot's of electrum wallets out there. They do tho only verify texts signed with the same coin wallet. There is for example a #namecoin electrum wallet, a first generation coin invented to create a decentralized URL system, as well as there is for example a #faircoin electrum wallet. Considering all the altcoins created out there, faircoin at least is/was an interesting option that apparently failed to a certain extent due to the intent or claim by some in the community to be tradable on exchanges.
Again, this is not about any coin at all but about the fact that we do have simple unique ID's at hand we can verify and we can use to create reputation and or invent some system of trust and reference on desktop and mobile.

Than there is the consideration of guaranties and identities in the middle that allow escrow as implemented by localbitcoins.
This escrow issue would involve somehow coins/tokens, at least as some kind of guaranty until the transaction is finished. Be it as a general input to prove the seriousness of an involvement, an offer or even a publication. In terms of bitcoin itself, the second level segwit technology allows the creation of circles of trust without even publishing transactions to the main bitcoin #blockchain.

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@resl @NGIZero

Eine blitzeblanke, 12jährige Jura Impressa J9 wartet hier in München auf ein Selbstabholeri, der uns dafür noch ein brauchbares Angebot machen kann. Voll funktionstüchtig, muss aber sicher bald wieder zur "Pflege" (Geräuschkulisse deutet baldigen Brüheinheit-Streichelbedarf an).

Hinweis: Das ist noch eines der Modelle, die mit "unverchipten" Filtern arbeiten, welche man im 4er-Pack für ~20 Euro bekommt.

:boost_love: #fediMarket #fediFlohmarkt #fediGive #marktplatz #biete

#FediMarket

EDIT: Got the Linux-iPod question resolved, thanks to kindness on here! 💃🏻💚 So just looking for an iPhone 11 battery/case now. 🙏🏼

Looking to buy or trade for a couple things, preferably from mutuals (for trust reasons):

• A combination phone case and battery pack for an iPhone 11 Pro

• Any kind of old Apple/Mac device that I can use solely for synching a circa-2010 4th-generation iPod Shuffle with my iTunes library (now that I’ve got my laptop fully switched to Linux)

I’m trying here because of the enshittification of eBay et al. Otherwise I might try Nextdoor, but I like it here better. 🤞🏼😁💚🦣 I’m in the US but can cover shipping from anywhere if it’s reasonable.

Hätte hier noch ein schnurloses Keyboard + Maus Set an Selbstabholer (oder gegen Porto) abzugeben: Rapoo 8900. Die Maus klemmt ein wenig (kann aber mit etwas WD40 wieder fit gemacht werden (hab noch eine davon, weiß das also aus 1. Hand). Die Tastatur hakelt manchmal ein wenig (vergisst Buchstaben oder fügt einen mit ein). k.A. was das ist, hoffe aber dass es sich nach einer Weile ohne Strom (Batterien sind raus) von selbst gibt.

Jemand als Selbstabholer Interesse an einem IKEA Billy Eckregal in Buche (topp Zustand, siehe Foto)? Steht hier in München im Weg und würde sich freuen, wenn es jemand abholt. Wenn es Euch dazu noch etwas Wert ist, freut sich der derzeitige Besitzer über was-auch-immer das ist¹ :awesome:

¹ (beim letzten Mal waren es selbstgebackene Cookies – die einzige Sorte, die ich liebend gern akzeptiere, besonders mit Tee dazu 😜)

@marktplatz #fediGive #fediMarket :boost_love:

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Dazu gibbet noch ein wenig "Telezeugs":

je 2x NTBA + DSL-Splitter und 1x Fritz!Box 7140 – am liebsten als Gesamtpaket abzugeben, sonst staubt der Rest hier nur ein. Auch hier nehme ich gern Angebote an, oder gebe es einfach so weg (Abholung in München oder gegen Versandkosten).

Jetzt rennt mir bitte die Bude ein, damit der Krams endlich wegkommt – bevor mein Frauchen sich einen Bart anklebt & mit Ozelotohren zur Steinigung ruft 🙈

#marketPlace #fediMarket #fediGive #fediGiftShop @marktplatz

Hab da ein paar Dinge, die eine neue Heimat brauchen die nicht "Mülltonne" heißt. Frei abzugeben gegen Abholen in München oder gegen Porto. Wenn wer was geben will: nehme gerne Cookies ohne Banner, von Privacy-Nerds gebacken :awesome: Oder was immer Ihr für angemessen haltet/habt, gern anbieten.

Details in den Bildbeschreibungen, und im nächsten Toot (Reply). Rückfragen auch gern in Replies.

#marketPlace #fediMarket #fediGive #fediGiftShop @marktplatz

#fedimarket @fedibikes

Sucht hier jemand der#mdrza - #fahrradbubble noch eine rote Softshelljacke?

Ich hätte eine ungetragene Gonso Silves in chilli-schwarz abzugeben.

Sie ist mir in der falschen Größe (XL bzw. 54) geschenkt worden und kann nicht mehr umgetauscht werden, da der Kauf wohl zu lange her ist.

Über den Preis werden wir uns schon einig. Gerne per PN.

Hey fedi, is anyone here interested in this VTech IQ Unlimited Advantech computer? I was going to list it on eBay but they aren't worth a whole lot, so unless someone on fedi really wants this thing I'd probably just keep it. But it's just been sitting in storage so if I could hook someone up with it that really wants this specific computer it'd be cool. I'd sell it for $30 plus whatever it costs to ship it to you.

I got it a few years ago and didn't end up doing much with it, but I can confirm it was fully working in 2020. I powered it up for this photo this week but it would only give me the "please replace battery" message because I did not have any C batteries to put in it and it unfortunately won't operate off of just the DC power supply. Interestingly it takes four C batteries and four AA batteries, and encourages you to only change one set at a time to avoid data loss. An interesting solution, but one that makes testing it further annoying since I don't keep C batteries on hand. There's a little rust on the battery contacts but not a bunch of corrosion so they're pretty solid.

If you're not familiar with this PC (and I can't say I am an expert as someone who vaguely played with it for a bit), don't let the VTech brand fool you. While it does come preloaded with some educational software, as well as stuff like a word processor, this is a proper computer that you can write basic on.