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The following is my summary (understanding) of the diary.

What is TM?

Questions:

- What mapping process is?
- What is the origin of a project?
- What is the ownership of a project?
- For who is TM for?

Problems:

- New mappers don't understand (because they don't have answers.)
- New mapper edits frustrate old mappers.

Consequences:

- Discourage new mappers.
- Learning process interruption.

1/3 Project creators

Problem:

- When TM was opened, the data quality was low due to poor project description.

2/3 Project creators

Solution:

- Onboarding process. Making sure that managers fulfill the expectations of
having skills to:

- engage local communities and contributors,
- respond the questions and info requests,
- ensure the documentation of the project is on the wiki (in the case of
organised editing,)
- ensure that standards are met,
- ensure that the mappers are able to do what requested.

3/3 Project creators

New problems:

- One manager for many many projects.
- Responsibility for the onboarding process.
- Onboarding process strenghtening.

Areas of interest for beginners

Problem:

- Bad categorisation of the project.

Solution:

- Onboarding process (see above) forbids categorisation of urban environment as
the project for beginners.

New problem:

- The solution works for one situation only.

Project documentation

Problem:

- Onboarding process does not emphasise the importance of the project
documentation or link.

Unclosed projects

Problem:

- Inactive projects hangs around for a long time.

Consequences:

- Incomplete data in the project's area.
- Issues for new projects with overlapping area.
- Hard to find people involved in the project.

The following are the technical issues.

1. TM projects can overlap

Problem:

- Not possible to check if projects' areas overlap.

Consequence:

- Multiple projects used by different groups of mappers mapping the same area.

2. Feedback

Problem:

- Not easy, nor intuitive.

3. Local mappers

Problem:

- Find local contributors within project's area and interact with them.

Feedback -- There is _join discussion_ at the bottom of each #damn client page.

Local mappers -- I've upgraded the _statistics_ page: click _local mappers_ under the map for getting the list of #OpenStreetMap contributors that haven't used Divide and map. Now. while contributing within the same area. Solved by #overpass query.

https://client.damn-project.org/

TM Projects can overlap -- To be honest, this was my number one when I read the Pete's diary.

https://git.sr.ht/~qeef/damn-client.py

Example output of the script:

```
$ ./intersecting_areas.py https://server.damn-project.org/
testing https://server.damn-project.org/:
- 2229 intersects with 2253 of https://server.damn-project.org/
- 2253 intersects with 2229 of https://server.damn-project.org/
```

Actually, I didn't know these areas intersect.

I've tested with the localhost:8000 too, to check the script works for multiple server instances.

The first release of #damn (python) client

https://git.sr.ht/~qeef/damn-client.py/refs/v0.1.0

The output of the _abandoned areas_ script:

```
$ ./abandoned_areas.py https://server.damn-project.org/
Areas abandoned on https://server.damn-project.org since 2020-12-26T03:20:40:
- 7114 has only 1 commits
- 2245 has only 1 commits
- 7100 has only 2 commits
- 7102 has only 2 commits
Finished.
```

Foo. Going to bed now. I will summarize the thread in some diary soon.

So the #OpenStreetMap diary summarizing this thread is out.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/qeef/diary/396270

Hi @mariotomo, I was paraphrasing the problems introduced in the @pedrito1414's diary. I can imagine that some of the problems are consequences of "organizations wearing OSM dress," but that's deeper.

"Newbie project owners" is the problem when you can't fix it yourself. Therefore I think that the project owners screening is less efficient than openness.

@qeef @pedrito1414 "openness" was my request to the YouthMappers. it's been impossible to talk about it. have you seen the diary entry »https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/mariotomo/diary/394356« ?

@mariotomo @pedrito1414 I've just read it (only english sentences,) and I completely agree with you. It's really sad that professors of the #YouthMappers chapter knows nothing about #OpenStreetMap.

From the conversation I guess that the biggest problem is that students are not participating in OSM-related (asynchronous) communication channel. But how could the students be lead to participate when the professors don't do that either?

This is YouthMappers failure, IMO.