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@dansup It is not fair to put Mastodon, Pixelfed, Friedica, Peertube and Loops as analogous to Signal. Signal is centralized, Signal relies on closed source libraries, Signal is only distributed through PlayStore, Signal is not a federated platform.

If we want to have a messaging platform on that image, it should be XMPP.

@mcepl @alontra @dansup I think friendica is rather dead. XMPP is reviving, just give it a try. There are lots of clients (for Android, iOS, Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, web, etc) now a days.

@contrapunctus @alontra @dansup

Kewl? Where do I get functional XMPP gateways to and (and no purple-matrix doesn’t count, it doesn’t work)? What is the technology good for when nobody I care about is there?

(hint: I spent many years helping technology up to studying to make to work with Kerberos before I gave up)

@mcepl https://slidge.im has working XMPP gateways for WhatsApp, Matrix and a few other networks, and Ejabberd has a work in progress gateway for Matrix built in (only limited 1:1 chat support so far though).
slidge.imslidge.im — Gateways from XMPP to Other NetworksSlidge is a chat gateway library for XMPP built in Python, and a set of gateways for other networks.

@mcepl @alontra While others have provided the technical answers in the form of bridges, I'll attempt to answer the social aspect of your question.

Here's how I've onboarded about a hundred personal contacts - and counting - to XMPP.
contrapunctus.codeberg.page/th

Software freedom and decentralization are too important to give up.

contrapunctus.codeberg.pageThe Quick and Easy Guide to Jabber/XMPP

@contrapunctus @alontra

And what’s non-free or centralized on and/or ?

@mcepl @alontra The majority of Matrix users are concentrated on matrix.org, because it's way too resource-hungry to host (which is inherent to the protocol, so reimplementing the server in a different language will only go so far).

As for IRC...I'm assuming that's not a serious suggestion. It can neither be considered fully-featured, nor user friendly, nor federated.

@contrapunctus @mcepl @alontra a good amount are on m.org yes but not the majority

@contrapunctus @alontra

1. I am on one.element.io, I can use chat.opensuse.org or chat.fedroraproject.org, so no, not everybody with is on matrix.org

2. you know what that R in stands for, don’t you? And yes, I use IRC every day for my work.

@mcepl Observe how I said "the majority" and not "everybody" 🤦‍♀️

I'm perfectly aware of what IRC stands for. That *still* doesn't make it user-friendly, featureful, or (in practice) federated.

Anyway, I hope I've answered your question.

@contrapunctus @alontra

> I'm not on WhatsApp, Telegram, Instagram, or Discord, so if people want to talk to me they have to use XMPP…or fall back to SMS or email, which is very limiting.

Wow! You must be an awesome friend to have! You haven’t mentioned the third alternative, of course.

@mcepl @alontra Well, blame network effect - one can either succumb to the pressure of using proprietary services, or one can take a stand and help give others an alternative. There's no other choice, and both are coercive.

Perhaps my friends/coworkers/community members don't judge my value based on my software choices 😅

Also, what third alternative?