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frox<p>Another <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>prosody</span></a> release and another smooth upgrade. This one's a biggie, the 0. versioning has been dropped !<br>There's some additions for <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/DANE" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DANE</span></a> and channel binding, which I should look into. Also more granular permissions, which will surely be useful for deployments bigger than mine.<br>Downtime was also short enough to not trigger the uptime monitors.<br>I see even the bookworm-backports package is updated. <a href="https://blog.prosody.im/prosody-13.0.0-released/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">blog.prosody.im/prosody-13.0.0</span><span class="invisible">-released/</span></a><br><a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>xmpp</span></a> <a href="https://tooting.ch/tags/selfhosting" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>selfhosting</span></a></p>
whitepaperkat<p><a href="https://thecoldfish.ddns.net/tags/prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prosody</span></a> is the best modular <a href="https://thecoldfish.ddns.net/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>xmpp</span></a> server you can use in my opinion</p>
Pirate Praveen<p>diasp.in and durare.org <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>xmpp</span></a> services are now running the latest version 13.0 of <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>prosody</span></a> xmpp server!</p><p>Thanks to <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://floss.social/@buster" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>buster</span></a></span> for doing the upgrade. There was a small unexpected down time as database format had changed and we needed to fix that manually.</p>
Bhante Subharo :xmpp:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://bbs.kawa-kun.com/users/tk" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tk</span></a></span> My <a href="https://c.im/tags/prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>prosody</span></a> 0.12.5 server also can't do reactions in chatrooms - <a href="https://c.im/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> clients are <a href="https://c.im/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Conversations</span></a> and <a href="https://c.im/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Gajim</span></a>. There is a claim that Prosody supports XEP-0421 here:<br><a href="https://prosody.im/doc/xeplist" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">prosody.im/doc/xeplist</span><span class="invisible"></span></a><br>...ever since 0.12, but it's not enabled/installed by default, as stock-installed on <a href="https://c.im/tags/Debian" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Debian</span></a> 12 (from the backport for 0.12.5).</p><p>Note: XEP-0421 is absent from this page:<br><a href="https://modules.prosody.im/xeps.html" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">modules.prosody.im/xeps.html</span><span class="invisible"></span></a></p>
Prosody IM<p>Prosody 13.0.0 is here! Farewell Zero-ver!<br>This major release brings a number of exciting new features, including improved security, performance, and administration tools.<br>Check it out: <a href="https://blog.prosody.im/prosody-13.0.0-released/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">blog.prosody.im/prosody-13.0.0</span><span class="invisible">-released/</span></a><br><a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>prosody</span></a> <a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>xmpp</span></a></p>
Zash<p>Soon....</p><p><a href="https://fosstodon.org/tags/prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>prosody</span></a></p>
Pirate Praveen<p>Any developers willing to port/adapt/rewrite <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/ejabberd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ejabberd</span></a> api component of <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/Quicksy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Quicksy</span></a> server to work with <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>prosody</span></a> <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>xmpp</span></a> server?</p><p>Basically we want to create xmpp accounts via a server component after verifying phone number with sms otp.</p><p>Currently it is possible to do this on ejabberd, but adding prosody support will make it easy to add phone number verification to prosody as well. Adding phone number verification or an invite to create account will help stop <a href="https://social.masto.host/tags/spam" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>spam</span></a> accounts by a huge margin.</p>
Menel<span class="h-card"><a href="https://fedi.catnip.ee/users/mari" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@mari@fedi.catnip.ee</a></span><br>You can best use it with your family or friends. Much more fun then alone.<br>I started it with actually on my first smartphone. Used <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=yaxim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#yaxim</a> and then <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#conversations</a>, with my own <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#prosody</a> server (on a <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=raspberrypi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#raspberrypi</a> 1), and stayed it with all the years, as it steadily improved.<br>It was first me and my brothers, but then my whole family and some friends too.<br><br>There are public rooms too, but it most shines in whatsapp/signal like private groups and messages in my opinion.<br><br>Some public rooms are listed here<br><a href="https://search.jabber.network/channels/1" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">https://search.jabber.network/channels/1</a><br>
Fabio Natali<p>Any recommendation on how to configure my <a href="https://social.coop/tags/firewall" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>firewall</span></a> on a <a href="https://social.coop/tags/Prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prosody</span></a> <a href="https://social.coop/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> server? Here's what I've kept open so far:</p><p>- http<br>- https<br>- xmpp-client<br>- xmpp-server</p><p>Basic things (i.e. instant messaging) seem to work fine with this setup but I'm worried about other functionality. E.g. the avatar I set for my account in one client isn't visible to my contacts and it doesn't get propagated to my other devices. Could it be a firewall problem?</p>
Bhante Subharo :xmpp:<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://axbom.me/users/axbom" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>axbom</span></a></span> I too have been doing some similar evaluating of alternatives. I would recommend adding:</p><p>- <a href="https://c.im/tags/Zulip" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Zulip</span></a> (Slack, <a href="https://c.im/tags/Mattermost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Mattermost</span></a> competitor) More info: <a href="https://c.im/@sbb/114034480079879818" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">c.im/@sbb/114034480079879818</span><span class="invisible"></span></a><br>- <a href="https://c.im/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Conversations</span></a>/ <a href="https://c.im/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Gajim</span></a>/ <a href="https://c.im/tags/Prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prosody</span></a> (is similarly E2E encrypted, but additionally federated, unlike Signal), this is my <a href="https://c.im/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> "stack" at present (more info: <a href="https://c.im/@sbb/114032786446300932" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">c.im/@sbb/114032786446300932</span><span class="invisible"></span></a> )<br>- <a href="https://c.im/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DeltaChat</span></a> (is federated, unlike <a href="https://c.im/tags/Signal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Signal</span></a>) More info: <a href="https://c.im/@sbb/114043962394278098" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="">c.im/@sbb/114043962394278098</span><span class="invisible"></span></a><br>- <a href="https://c.im/tags/flarum" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>flarum</span></a> , a forum similar to Discourse, but will run on a <a href="https://c.im/tags/RaspberryPi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>RaspberryPi</span></a>, unlike Discourse<br>- <a href="https://c.im/tags/calibre" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>calibre</span></a>-web for your ebook collection<br>- <a href="https://c.im/tags/shiori" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>shiori</span></a>, for private cloud bookmarks</p><p><a href="https://c.im/tags/OpenSource" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>OpenSource</span></a></p>
Fabio Natali<p>I finally got around to setting up my little personal <a href="https://social.coop/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> server. I've used <a href="https://social.coop/tags/Prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prosody</span></a> on a leightweight Hetzner instance, thanks to the <a href="https://social.coop/tags/Guix" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Guix</span></a> deploy command and its fantastic Hetzner integration that's been added recently.</p><p>Here's a little blog post that I wrote about the process:</p><p><a href="https://fabionatali.com/posts/xmpp-self-hosting-tutorial/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">fabionatali.com/posts/xmpp-sel</span><span class="invisible">f-hosting-tutorial/</span></a></p><p>If you're an XMPP user and want to get in touch, my handle is fnat@xmpp.fnat.me.</p>
kgoetz<p>This weeks <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Fedibruary" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Fedibruary</span></a> topic was an <a href="https://aus.social/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> / <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Jabber</span></a> server and following a suggestion here on masto (thanks <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://chaos.social/@erebion" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>erebion</span></a></span> !) I installed Prosody .<br>In a move which probably made my life harder overall, I decided to install within our network and not on a public server. This is a problem because XMPP servers push mail to each other like SMTP... which I should have remembered before hand....</p><p>Anyway, I did successfully set up <a href="https://aus.social/tags/Prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prosody</span></a> and did some experiments, messaging to my <a href="https://aus.social/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>xmpp</span></a>.social account and a second account I had created on the private server.</p><p>Because (i believe) of split dns issues i was having the users on my private server can't share media or files . I hope that would be a matter of correctly configuring dns and the issue might go away.</p><p>I'd have liked to have done a better job of this one but I think this is a valid proof of concept and I will be storing my notes ("documentation") away for a future live deployment.</p>
Bhante Subharo :xmpp:<p><a href="https://c.im/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> enthusiasts out there: what would you say the ultimate Achilles heel of the XMPP ecosystem is, at present? Fragmentation of clients? What?</p><p>My sense is that it's this: when one goes to store an XMPP address in one's addressbook, there doesn't seem to be standard way to store an XMPP address. <a href="https://c.im/tags/Android" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Android</span></a> doesn't have that as an allowable field, and <a href="https://c.im/tags/Thunderbird" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Thunderbird</span></a> and <a href="https://c.im/tags/Nextcloud" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Nextcloud</span></a> have an "Instant Messaging" field, where the type can be set to "XMPP". But are these two compatible with each other when trying to sync between them? Edit: Yes, but there's a catch: *the XMPP address must be prefixed with "xmpp:"*</p><p>So "user@foo.bar" is not an OK XMPP address, but "<a href="xmpp:user@foo.bar" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">xmpp:</span><span class="">user@foo.bar</span><span class="invisible"></span></a>" is.</p><p>Then to make matters worse, now there's a wish to change the labeling of "XMPP Address" to "Chat ID": <a href="https://gultsch.social/@daniel/114012904576436518" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">gultsch.social/@daniel/1140129</span><span class="invisible">04576436518</span></a></p><p>It might be a long time before the address synchy-ness ever works again between Android &lt;-&gt; <a href="https://c.im/tags/Davx5" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Davx5</span></a> &lt;-&gt; Nextcloud &lt;-&gt;Thunderbird</p><p>Note: Android allows a "Jabber" type for an IM address, where you *don't* prefix the address with "xmpp:". </p><p>(<a href="https://c.im/tags/DeltaChat" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>DeltaChat</span></a> gets to gloat hard here, as they have plain-old email addresses)</p><p><a href="https://c.im/tags/prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>prosody</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>conversations</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>gajim</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/dino" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>dino</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/snikket" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>snikket</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/monocles" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monocles</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>monal</span></a></p>
Menel[rant]<br>Looking for nice software to selfhost on very moderate hardware these days is like:<br>"add this to your kubernetes cluster // terraform something....// This is your docker compose file..."<br><br>I just want an efficient program, bare metal, also not three reverse proxys in a row.<br>And also I'm not running some supercluster in the "cloud".<br>Seems everyone virtualizes everything and abstracts everything, containers in containers in VMs. Even "normal" mastodon hosters, I mean I understand if people use it for running something like running Instagram, OK.<br>And then many still have quite often some downtime because (I guess?) in all this complexity, that exists to add reliability, there are config errors or incompatibilities.<br>[/rant]<br>I Love I've found snac and the prosody xmpp server, they run on a potato, snac only since this year, prosody since 10y, started on a raspberrypi1b. And they have no downtime. I want more like that. I don't know the right Hashtags. Is this <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=permacomputing" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#permacomputing</a>? I guess that's even much more basic and closer to the hardware?<br><a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=keepitsimple" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#keepitsimple</a><br><br><a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=snac" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#snac</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#prosody</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#xmpp</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=tinyweb" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#tinyweb</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=tinyfedi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#tinyfedi</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=rant" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#rant</a> <a href="https://snikket.de/social?t=shitpost" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#shitpost</a><br>
J👀<p>I just migrated my personal <a href="https://mastodon.n41.lat/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> server based on <a href="https://mastodon.n41.lat/tags/Prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prosody</span></a> to its own <a href="https://mastodon.n41.lat/tags/selfhosted" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>selfhosted</span></a> server. I could not believe how easy it was, including transferring configuration, accounts, stored messages/files, etc.</p><p>BTW, the new server is just tiny, with 1GB of RAM, and it still seems to use only a fraction of it.</p><p>I suppose this is the result of dealing with an amazing protocol (XMPP) coupled with an excellent piece of technology (Prosody) 👏</p>
algernon ludd<p>Ooof. I'm trying to set up <a href="https://come-from.mad-scientist.club/tags/prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prosody</span></a>, but in a possibly weird way: it's running on a Mac Mini on the shelf, TLS cert is obtained via LetsEncrypt DNS-01, and the whole thing is fronted by a haproxy on a remote VPS.</p><p>So far, it is a bit of a pain in the ass. Possibly because I tried to test against my existing install, and <em>that</em> is bleeding from many wounds, too.</p>
Rob 🇺🇦 🇵🇸<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://framapiaf.org/@debacle" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>debacle</span></a></span> Can I ask which you would consider to be easier to set up and maintain, @ejabberd or <a href="https://kolektiva.social/tags/prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>prosody</span></a>?</p>
StefanEs gibt sehr viele gute Software. In der Familie sind für uns XMPP Clients ganz wichtig. Wir verwenden diese zum chatten, telefonieren, video calls.<br><br>In der Familie wird meist der Andorid Client <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Conversations</a> verwendet oder <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=monal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Monal</a> für iOS. Ich selber verwende <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=profanity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#profanity</a> und <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#gajim</a>. Die Kinder verwenden <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=dino" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#dino</a>.<br><br>Die Server <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#prosody</a> und <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=ejabberd" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ejabberd</a> dürfen auch nicht fehlen.<br><br>Vielen Dank an die XMPP Community!<br><br><a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=ilovefs" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#ILoveFS</a> <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#XMPP</a> <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=jabber" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Jabber</a> <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=messenger" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#Messenger</a> <a href="https://devlug.de/social?t=freesoftware" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#FreeSoftware</a><br><br>
Bhante Subharo :xmpp:<p>In order to try out Multi-User chat in <a href="https://c.im/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Gajim</span></a>, I looked for lists of popular Public "Group Chats". I came across "The top 25 public chat rooms on the Jabber network": <a href="https://search.jabber.network/channels/1" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">search.jabber.network/channels</span><span class="invisible">/1</span></a></p><p>The fullest groups seem to be the support groups for XMPP clients/servers like Gajim, <a href="https://c.im/tags/Conversations" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Conversations</span></a>, and <a href="https://c.im/tags/Prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prosody</span></a>. You might scoff I even tried these out, but _it was a start_, especially to try the "Joining" and "Leaving" process. *These activities - especially the very simple and quick "Leaving" process - are a non-trivial ability these days, in a world where closing accounts is about as easy as escaping an alligator.* They worked fine. No problems.</p><p>There's a huge number of people panicking about how sketchy ("enshittified"; fraught with "proprietary lock-in") all the popular online services have become. How about make your own Public Group chats, for any and all of the <a href="https://c.im/tags/Facebook" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Facebook</span></a> groups, <a href="https://c.im/tags/WhatsApp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>WhatsApp</span></a> Groups, and <a href="https://c.im/tags/Discord" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Discord</span></a> "servers" you are part of, and thereby try to gradually provide/advocate an "out"? Maybe even mirror the announcements from the more popular groups into your own Public Chat groups.</p><p>How about take on some leadership, if only as a form of action and protest, offering an alternative, and thereby *making a statement that a federated alternative indeed exists*? You might not be taken seriously at first, but if people are indeed *upset enough*, maybe your protest might actually catch on?</p><p><a href="https://c.im/tags/XMPP" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>XMPP</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/SocialMedia" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SocialMedia</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/enshittification" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>enshittification</span></a> <a href="https://c.im/tags/fediverse" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>fediverse</span></a></p>
maple<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://c.im/@sbb" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>sbb</span></a></span> Yep, I ran into that too and it;'s a big part of the reason I can't bring myself to recommend <a href="https://hear-me.social/tags/xmpp" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>xmpp</span></a> to anyone. The probable reason it's not working is either because <a href="https://hear-me.social/tags/Prosody" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Prosody</span></a> doesn't have a valid, non-self-signed certificate keyed to your domain, or because you don't have the right extensions activated in Prosody. Prosody is initially a relatively easy server to set up but it is not that easy to get file transfers working. I did it (even using <a href="https://hear-me.social/tags/Gajim" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Gajim</span></a> 1.8.4 which apparently is the newest version on Flathub) but it was a real bear to get it working. I think I fought with it for like three days. Normally I would write up how I did something like that but it turned out to be so difficult that by the time I got through I could not remember everything I had done. AND it is still broken because every three months the fucking certificate expires, and because I am not running a publicly-accessible web server, getting that renewed is a little slice of hell, plus Let's Encrypt no longer sends you an email when it's about to expire. Most ordinary users would give up rather than go through that torture.</p><p>The xmpp proponents seem to think it is just fine if the servers are difficult to set up (especially if you are just a plain user and not a Linux geek) and the clients lose functionality or refuse to communicate if they have to connect with a server that doesn't have a non-self-signed certificate. I keep saying that is NOT fine, they need to make a server that has GUI configuration page(s) and it needs to be able to take care of obtaining and renewing the fucking certificate WITHOUT making you use Docker or some other thing that a lot of ordinary users don't understand. Or the clients should allow users to accept a self-signed certificate, like web browsers do. But they don't want to hear it, they just keep browbeating people to switch to xmpp while ignoring the difficulties, and that is why ultimately we all (quite reluctantly) started using Signal here.</p>