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I've been trying to stay out of the Board election, because as a board member, I'll be working with 3 of the candidates.
But Frederik is way wrong here.
cf. my reply lists.openstreetmap.org/piperm
🧵 (FYI email it replies to jokes about sexual assault 😬)

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There are many examples of people excusing how Tr*mp acted pre-'16 election, claiming he's be “presidential” when elected, and he went with the example of sexual assult. 🤦

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One could pointed out Tr**p's nepotism, horrible biz/econ skills, brash, rude and condescening speech, brazely lying, and he went with _that_ example?

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Disregarding the licence is illegal & immoral, it's no way comparible to sexual assault FFS.

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By equating the two, you diminising the seriousness of a type of crime which is already treated too lightly by many cultures & communities, and which statistically disproportionally affects women & nonbinary people.

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That's why it isn't just tone policing, using this sort of example continues the diminishing of sexual assault, which makes it wrong.

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@rory yikes. Yeah, there are better, less severe, metaphors out there which would have been more appropriate. I voted within an hour of getting the ballot email, but maybe I should have waited? I didn't expect last minute revelations in the #OSMF board election.
#OSM

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@hinton Frederik Ramm isn't up for election or anything

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@rory oh, I was referring to the background information on Michal Migurski that was brought up in the original post. I didn't know peoples' feelings on his employment situation. It would not have changed my vote anyway, but I am just surprised to be hearing a lot of this into after voting has already begun.

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@hinton huh, I thought it was well know that Michal Migurski worked for Facebook? He's pretty open.

And FB can be a controversial company anywa...

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@rory I'm new to participating in the higher functions of OSM/OSMF, beyond just mapping. I am all for Facebook being involved in OSM. I think it gets OSM more visibility here in the US and the ODBL should prevent any misuse people are worried about.

@hinton @rory I'm still gunshy about voting for someone who works for Facebook since we're still *fresh* off the GlobalLogic shitshow of an attempted hostile takeover of the foundation that marked the last election.

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@rory does OSMF have any plans to do anything with the mailing lists? Anecdotally I've had a not-so-nice experience on tagging, and a few people I've talked to just recommend staying away from them.

@Cj @rory My only real tight spots on the lists so far in over 10 years has been some less than sensitive conversations about aboriginal land, and a continuous "it's too hard" (translation: boring) pushback on fixing how highway routes and lanes are tagged.

@Cj @rory The harsh part is most of the work to fix highway routes is done (kicking and screaming from the "never change things" crowd), and making bicycle lane tagging work the same as other restricted lane tagging is *trivial*. Like "throw everything with a cycleway=* tag into Maproulette and make sure the lanes=* tag matches *all* the lanes" would get us 90% of the way there. #OpenStreetMap

@rory

Why are you discussing (US caretaker president) Trump, of all things, in an #OSM list? God! That project has *really* gone downhill. 😬

@0 huh? 😕 I wasn't talking about Trump

@rory

> There are many examples of people excusing how Trump acted before the 2016 election […]

That's what I get if I follow the link to the #OSM mailing list that you posted above.

@0 yeah. But i was talking about an incident on the OSM lists.

@rory

I've contributed extensively to #FOSS projects in the past, including with people (in)famous for their political writings, but nothing remotely political or wildly off-topic ever came up on the mailing lists. That would be off-putting, immature and unprofessional. Besides, we had more than enough flame war material just from the project itself.

I like discussing politics and all kinds of other stuff, but never when I'm at work, be it remunerated or voluntary.

@rory

Idle question: how many of the people involved on those handbag fights on the mailing list are critical to the project?

I realise that maintaining the infrastructure is not trivial, but as far as I'm aware it's already being done by many others, including every major web company out there, from #Qwant to #Facebook. Any of them having the know-how could grab the reins any time and take it from there.

What value does the #OSM foundation provide right now?

@0 The person who started “discussing Trump” as you say, is very active & has made, and continues to make, lots of benefitial contributions to the OSM project...

@rory

Such as? Is he or anyone else in that #OSM foundation thing irreplaceable?

@0 You're asking what Frederik Ramm's contribution to OpenStreetMap is? ... 🙄🙄🙄

@0 “massive in many ways” is the answer to your Q

@rory

No. I'm not focusing on any one person (though “massive” is hardly a specific or objective answer) but on the “foundation” itself, which seems to be becoming more and more detached from the project itself. Rotten dynamics and a high level of immaturity / inexperience is how I'd describe my outsider perception. At any rate, reminds me of #Wikipedia and pissed me off enough to lose interest in #OSM. 🤷

@0 Thanks to the foundation, the main web editor iD is now being funded by the foundation, a democratic body, rather than corporate interests. Attribution Guidelines will be published shortly

@rory

Last I checked, #iD was a great piece of work so congratulations on the achievement. 👍

I maintain that, as a former contributor, I'm no longer willing to support a project largely taken over by confused zealots as a vehicle to impose their non-germane views.

What I also don't understand is what intrinsic advantage the “democratic” principle brings to the table at this point. The mission has already been given, the roles are clear, and now it's a matter of accomplishing the goal.

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