I have suggested that iD (the main web editor) add a "Real Fire" field for . 🙂 It would make it easy for people to record this interesting data point into .

isn't perfect (no software is), but if it has something as a preset, it gets mapped into much more often.

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@Orthodoxy_is_unconsciousness I don't think so.

(i) for pubs, `real_fire` is currently used much more than `fireplace`, which with wiki describes only for campsites, or picnic sites
(ii) “Real Fire” is how people refer to the property itself outside OSM (cf. link in github issue)
(iii) I read `fireplace=yes` as “This place 𝗵𝗮𝘀 a fireplace”, not that they actually 𝘶𝘴𝘦 it. Plenty of buildings & pubs in Ireland & Britain might 𝘱𝘩𝘺𝘴𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 have a fireplace, doesn't mean there's a 𝘧𝘪𝘳𝘦 there.


First, the wiki for "fireplace" uses the term "such as" not "only for". Additionally, the page specifies that the key is intended to be "used to specify whether a fireplace is available at a feature." This seems like the goal of the key "real_fire".

My primary concern is tag fragmentation. Since, "Real Fire" is a term that describes a fireplace that burns wood or coal, I am of the opinion that there are two tagging schemes describing the same feature.


I understand, there is a cultural usage here but I worry that the term is too closely associated with CAMRA, since they use it in their database, and that OSM could be put into a legal gray area by using it. My guess would be a claim of database copping by CAMRA. I am of the opinion that using a less cultural and more specific verbiage would be the best for the OSM project.

That's my two cents. Do what you want.

@Orthodoxy_is_unconsciousness wat. “real fire” is a *very* common term used in regular, day to day speak in Ireland & Britain. It is in no way a legal grey area. srsly

@rory This isn't even my point. Yet, it appears that you are not aware, there are many legally protected but commonly used words Also, on CAMRA's site they have a copyright statement. I assume that includes the database, which you linked to (frontend). Being on the OSMF Board and in DISC, I thought tag fragmentation and OSM's legal footing would be concerns as well as usage of globally inclusive/used words for tags. Again, do what you want. I've said more then intended.

@Orthodoxy_is_unconsciousness Yes I am concerned about the OSM(F)'s legal basis. But I'm from Ireland, and believe me this isn't like saying “hoover” or “google”, “real fire”, even in the context of pubs, is almost certainly not trademarked!

OSM already suffers from more important tag fragmentation, and this term is more natural & understandable for the data contributor & consumer.

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