How can we tag (in ) that the employees in a venue are in a labour/trade ?

What about `employee_union=yes/no`? What do you think?

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Some countries have seen an increase in places like coffee shops being unionised, and some people want to filter based on this.

Obv. there are regional differences, about closed shops, or whether all employees are in a union, or places where `=no` isn't a bad thing (right?), or whatever. This can't cover everything.

obv. I'm thinking of things like consumer facing cafés here, rather than things like a car factory, or hospital, or things like that. My idea may, or may not, be relevant here. Please feel free to correct me.

@amapanda I'd pick some sort of standard phrasing so you could also have a worker cooperative flag, then be able to easily query for both at once

@neko do you have a good suggestion?

I think some people have tagged such co-ops in OSM before. I would see that as an orthogonal issue to an employee union tag. Here, I am just looking at unions. So I think it's ok to work on a tag for unionised workplaces first, and ignore "co-op owned" for this discussion (or am I mistaken? 🤔)

@amapanda @neko This is really something for wikidata as it is hard to verify and to maintain by contributors. Think of wikidata as entities with key/values too, with a few complications

@pietervdvn @neko OSM is key/value pairs (but ours are Human Readable) 😉

(plus I prefer the OSM licence 😉)

@amapanda @neko yeah, it is easier to grasp, but also easier to make a typo in OSM. For example, would 'SomeUnion' be equal to 'Some Union' or 'Some Union inc.'? Wikidata solves that problem.

And what with e.g. information about that union (image, website, store,...)

@pietervdvn wikidata doesn't solve some things since I've heard it has different definitions of the same thing in different languages

@amapanda That can happen, but then one can state that they are equal entities and redirect one onto the other

@pietervdvn i don't have the mental space for all this wikidata stuff. IMO adding `employee_union=yes` to OpenStreetMap is by far the simplist approach. If you have suggestions on _that OSM tag_, I'm listening. 🙂

@amapanda I understand the lack of mental space, it's a lot to get started with.

However, I'm opposed to a 'employee=union'-tag - that is IMHO out of scope for OSM. Should we also start to tag the baserate of emoloyees? The gender balance and other diversity indicators of a workspace? How rude their manager is?

Don't get me wrong - these are all worthwile social causes to fight for; but OSM isn't the vehicle to collect this data with.

@pietervdvn it's fine if you don't want to map this. But others might. Leave it at that.

@amapanda What is the on-the-ground verifiability of employee syndication data ? Are there examples of online sources compatible with ODBL ?

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@amapanda What about small family businesses where being in a union doesn't make sense? I appreciate your good intentions, but make sure it doesn't inadvertently harm someone innocent.

@amapanda Can this be partly offloaded to #Wikidata? I'm thinking of cases where hundreds or thousands of locations would belong to the same entity and follow the same contract.

@nemobis I dont know anything about wikidata. Theoretically there's loads of overlap. I'm just focussing on OpenStreetMap now.

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